Shuckle isn't worth the 9k

[Ponty]

It simply isn't. Even with a dedicated moveset to turn it into a powerhouse with Power Trick, it simply turns it into a physically frail 1hko'd glass cannon. Even using the tried and true Toxic Stall and Stealth Rock strategy it's best used for, it's entire moveset is shut down by a single move, either Taunt or even a Encore. Hell, even with either moveset, maintained Leech Seeding done by a speedier pokemon will render Shuckle powerless as it's about as fast as a snail while almost every other pokemon runs circles around it. Even with it's superb defenses, and access to Rest, it's pitiful 20 base HP cannot withstand repeated assault.

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/shuckle

Even in the handheld games, Shuckle has sunk to the bottom of never used in competition, and to begin with, was never more then considered average. So for god sake, stop trying to make it out as some sort of godly pokemon. You know who you are.

[Npchunter]

2 shuckles makes a deadly combo. 1 uses Power trick, the other uses Power split, then the tricked one uses guard split. GG

[Npchunter]

and it's worth 9k because its the only pokemon available with 230 base stat on two stats

[Ponty]

It folds under Night Shade/Seismic Toss/Dragon Rage. GG

[Ponty]

You're also assuming that those Shuckles will go Un-Taunted, j/s. Taunt plus either of the three above moves and it's basically over.

[Ponty]

Hmmm. Any very fast pokemon who can cover distance and induce Sleep before they could set up that combo would be good too.

Well... if this so called Shuckle combo will be omnipotent, there's going to have to be a tournament clause for it at some point. As of now pseudo legendary pokemon like Tyranitar have free reign over tournaments (when is that going to be noticed? Tyranitar's godly stats, great move pool, and great offensive typing with this game's limited selection of pokemon, there literally isn't anything on it's level to challenge it. In fact... it's the ONLY pokemon of it's caliber in the entire game) , and I imagine this as well will, if this combo is so godly, those moves will have to be banned/nerfed in some way.

[Ponty]

Well, why do I worry so much over Shuckle anyways. It's only good in team tournaments and is otherwise easily countered, so, whatever. Go play with your pet rock.

[Npchunter]

Lol. You seem to care an awful lot about shuckle j/s. As for the only thing coded in to beat tyranitar, Metagross. Of course you would have to win a tourney to acquire one, but still, it's possible Lunar might not join a tourney at some point down the line

[Ponty]

Yup, when I decide to hate something, I hate it with with the utmost fiery passion. As much as I love it's adorable cute pet rockyness, it's just about as useful as one too, in my book anyways. It's effectively only good for Toxic Stalling and perhaps that combo you suggest which takes up considerable set up in which there's hopefully nothing disrupting it. On top of that, and the many simple counters to it which render it defenseless, it's just not a sound plan to go with.

I'm sure Lunar would make sure to win every tournament to ensure that never happens, but, what's the fun in always winning no matter what?

[Nilved]

shuckle is the only pokemon capable of doing 481,266,000 damage in one shot though

[Koga]

Cant   believe u ppl are still on this topic XD the ONLY thing i like about it is that its lil and cute o.o just for its looks i would get it XD fuck its stats.........o.o Should have evo my eevee before game went done T_T

[Ponty]

shuckle is the only pokemon capable of doing 481,266,000 damage in one shot though

Only under very, very extreme conditions which are almost if not impossible to achieve.

[Kamu]

You're also assuming that those Shuckles will go Un-Taunted, j/s. Taunt plus either of the three above moves and it's basically over.

I don't play around with Baton Pass in Competitive but if you send out some Pokémon who can last the rounds of Taunt and then use the PowerTrick/Split Guard Split then Baton Pass wouldn't that work?

[Npchunter]

Of course, but lets not mention that because that would mean that Zete actually knows what he's doing pricing Shuckle at 9k

[Ponty]

They might work, Kamu, but this is PZ, not exactly the handheld games. I'm sure once the move pool of the game fleshes out more we'll have more viable tank breakers.

[Ponty]

"9k" doesn't particulary mean much, it's just simply representative of how much time you're willing to sacrifice with mindless grinding in order to obtain something. At a certain level with your pokemon, some trials more or less become effortless, and at that point, the more challenging trials become pointless at doing simply because the rate of completion you can do that certain easier one is much faster then that of any of the harder ones, and therefore your rate of obtaining Dojo Points is much faster. For example, at my Roserade's current level, I 1HKO all the Carvanhas, Corsolas, and Sharpedos, 2HKO the Lanturns in the Gyarados Trial. Gyarados himself goes down under a minute.

So the "value" of your Shuckle is rather irrelevant actually. I'm just saying you're better off playing as some other superior pokemon that doesn't live in the bottom of useless, doesn't require heavy set up to become useful(in which during that time could be easily countered) in a team setting, and doesn't waste several days of your time in the dojo to obtain.

[Saitoshi]

So the "value" of your Shuckle is rather irrelevant actually. I'm just saying you're better off playing as some other superior pokemon that doesn't live in the bottom of useless, doesn't require heavy set up to become useful(in which during that time could be easily countered) in a team setting, and doesn't waste several days of your time in the dojo to obtain.

Awe, thats not cool... Shuckle needs some lovin' too, somebody got to show Shuckle love

Overall, I gotta say I have no idea how Shuckle will do in tournys and such, imo would probably have to rely on SD most of the time, if it even gets to that. 

Never mind that though, I applaud 'em for getting Shuckle n' being unique (well unique in a sense of using a pokemon considered underused, least in PZ atm). Hope it works out for them

[Npchunter]

"9k" doesn't particulary mean much, it's just simply representative of how much time you're willing to sacrifice with mindless grinding in order to obtain something. At a certain level with your pokemon, some trials more or less become effortless, and at that point, the more challenging trials become pointless at doing simply because the rate of completion you can do that certain easier one is much faster then that of any of the harder ones, and therefore your rate of obtaining Dojo Points is much faster. For example, at my Roserade's current level, I 1HKO all the Carvanhas, Corsolas, and Sharpedos, 2HKO the Lanturns in the Gyarados Trial. Gyarados himself goes down under a minute.

So the "value" of your Shuckle is rather irrelevant actually. I'm just saying you're better off playing as some other superior pokemon that doesn't live in the bottom of useless, doesn't require heavy set up to become useful(in which during that time could be easily countered) in a team setting, and doesn't waste several days of your time in the dojo to obtain.

Oh, yes you are correct. Zete has no idea what he is doing with pricing or dojo trial worths. But it's whatever. You have yet to fight a shuckle that is the same level as you. I believe that means you have no grounds to stand on in your arguement about shuckle on Z. 

[Npchunter]

Imo tho, official game experience does have it's worth in evaluations of Z, in many ways it means very little. The two game styles are just too radically different

[Ponty]

I've already got a game plan for killing Shuckle that's pretty good, so, yeah. Shuckle's just a adorable lil pet rock.

Although, basically, until Shuckle see's some action, we've got no idea how good it'll actually be. When Shuckle wins a tournament single handedly though, I shall believe it's a good poke. Until then, we can wait. :V

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